Tuesday, November 10, 2020

Overcoming an Introverts Fear - Johnna Danielle

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VoiceAmerica  0:07  
One problem facing people at many levels of business is how to make time for a work life and a personal life. Do you find that one seems to keep getting in the way of the other? This is the work life balance with Rick Morris. Even if you're not involved in the business world, you'll have a lot to gain by tuning into today's show. Now, here's your host, Rick Morris. And welcome

to another edition of the work life balance on a Friday afternoon. So excited to have everybody along. And thank you again for the continued support. I get tons of messages, LinkedIn messages, Twitter messages, Facebook, from the audience. You guys are amazing and certainly appreciate all the love and support and look forward to having another fantastic show and I'm excited about this one. The person I'm bringing on today is a professional life coach, mentor, leadership trainer and speaker that helps men and women reach their career and relationship goals. As an executive director with the john Maxwell team. She has numerous leadership tools to elevate leaders, their teams, as well as businesses. She has a heart to serve a love for personal development with an enormous passion to help people reach their best potential. At the start of the covid 19 pandemic. She was in a 17 year lucrative career in the healthcare industry, and decided to utilize a time of great transition to offer her gifts to individuals and businesses that also wanted to make the most of who they are. So she launched her business to really help people land their dream jobs in really, anybody who's been unemployed or laid off or contemplating a transition. She's going to help you land your dream job, but we're talking about something entirely different today. That's just who she is. But we really want to get into the fact that she's had to launch all of this and build all of this while being an introvert. So I think it's gonna be a great conversation. Let's bring around right now. Jonathan. Yeah. How you doing, Jana?

Johnna Danielle  1:57  
I am doing great. Thank you for having me today,

VoiceAmerica  1:59  
Rick. Oh, we're so excited. So john and I, we have to be fully transparent on the show. She You and I both know each other from the john Maxwell team, both servers in the in the food room is what I call it, where we get to greet almost everybody that's at IMC right there in the cross ties. But that's how you and I met was was serving the team?

Johnna Danielle  2:19  
Absolutely, yeah, lunchroom servers from the get go of executive directors.

VoiceAmerica  2:25  
That's right. That's right. So and I and I've told several stories about that. But those people that I missed the mariadb people I miss coming in and having a line of them just say good morning to us. And, you know, they were they're such a great, a great staff and a great team there. So for those that don't know, when we talk about introverts extroverts, what really to you is I have a definition of what what it means. But what is an introvert mean to you?

Johnna Danielle  2:51  
So first, let me start with like the dictionary definition, because what they say is a reserved or shy person who enjoys spending time alone. And then when you kind of dig deeper, and myself personally, I wouldn't call myself a shy person. I just basically at the end of a social interaction or engagement or an event like the IMC that we go to need a little bit more downtime than your next person, or I prefer one on one conversations versus talking to a big group of people doesn't mean I can't do that. It's a preference. So instead of small talk, many of us introverts prefer prefer a little bit more of an in depth conversation, if

VoiceAmerica  3:28  
that makes sense. Yeah, and I've considered more of an extrovert except in the in the scenario that I need that downtime as well, like I need you. But I feel it personally from a definition I feel like an extrovert is that I get my energy from an audience versus getting my energy from the downtime, I need the downtime, but I'll give every ounce I have if I'm on front of the stage of 5000. And the more the better for me. In fact, if I'm talking to four people or to one person, I find that more draining then, right if I got 5000 people in the room, I can I can do that stuff all day. No notes, no bullet points, let's go I'll just make stuff up. But yeah, so that's that's kind of how I feel so that it's that really that energy level at the end of the day, though, but why? Why do we think introverts and then shy, it gets so misconstrued?

Johnna Danielle  4:21  
Why do we think it gets so misconstrued? I think it's like anything, we have a picture painted in our head. And, you know, if you don't know then you don't know. So a lot of people who are completely really, really high on the extrovert spectrum, which there is a spectrum we know that right? There's a really high extrovert level, then there's a really high introvert level, then there's the people right in between. And then I know there's what is the word for somebody who's pretty equal on both there's a word for it, and I'll think of it but you know, so I just think that we all have our own perceptions and, and most people think that introverts are shy and don't really like being in the crowd and all that kind of stuff. But one thing you just mentioned that I kind of remembered, when we're at our imcs people who are listening, they don't realize that we're going we're going from like, 6am in the morning until the, you know, later into the day. And one thing that I remember when I first met you, as an introvert, I don't know if you remember this, I came up to you. And I was like, question this question, question, question question. And you go, Hey, are you a see,

Rick A. Morris  5:22  
like, you have a lot of questions.

Johnna Danielle  5:24  
And I said, Actually, yes, I am. But that also is actually hand in hand with an introvert, we do tend to want to prepare, we want to know, what am I going into when possible, it helps us to kind of relax, you know, and so and you we could throw you in a room with?

Rick A. Morris  5:40  
I did, I did?

Johnna Danielle  5:42  
And, you know,

Rick A. Morris  5:43  
what do we do? I don't know, just stand up there, just talk to people,

Johnna Danielle  5:47  
you help to calm me down, because you were still kind enough to answer some of my questions. So I knew you know, and so. So yeah,

VoiceAmerica  5:57  
that's fine. And so, you know, there's this concept of this perfect leader, which, which doesn't exist, right? It's all it's all within ourselves. And also, I feel like there's different skill sets at different times, there's different times where you need a boisterous leader, and there's times where you need that calm thinking leader right in it, and everywhere in between, but how do introverts make good leaders?

Johnna Danielle  6:22  
So I think one of the reasons if we're to generalize is good listening skills. Most of us would rather be listening and asking questions and listening, versus being the center of attention and really kind of out there in the open. A person who comes to mind, you know, Joel olsteen, no, yeah. Okay. So he was always behind the scenes, but when his father was a pastor, that's what he's like the perfect example, he did not want to be on the stage, he didn't have the desire to be a pastor, when his father passed away, it was his why kind of took him his purpose took him to the center of the stage. So once again, you could call it shy or whatever you want that he was behind the scenes, but in reality, he's not because he went and look at what he does now. And he's, you know, this huge figure and all of that. So that's an example of, I think, an introverted leader. And then also, other than the listening skills. negotiation is another one that a lot of introverts excel in. And so in leadership, that's a really good skill. Once again, I think it's kind of this quiet, assertiveness, it's not your boisterous and, you know, necessarily always high energy, but definitely leadership. That's, that's a little bit different. That tends to be, you know, really focused on one on one versus again, a bigger group.

VoiceAmerica  7:42  
It's interesting, the set negotiation, I mean, he's, I think through that, that's, I feel like I'm pretty strong negotiator through through business. But that's something I felt like I had to learn to slow down. And, you know, we were laughing about it. And I'll tell you the story later when we're out there. But, you know, I had to light up a company today, but I walked him into a trap for 10 minutes before I revealed the information that I had, just so that, you know, it was more impactful, instead of coming out of the gate, and just like, Oh, you know, blowing it up, getting them talking and getting them to kind of share their position before I took mine. But now that you say that as that that's something I've had to learn to slow down, and and and not have the gotcha ready, you're ready to come out of the gate. So I think that's interesting. An interesting take on it. You know, when when you and I talk, there's a lot of I don't want to say fear and fears. Here's a tough word to say. But you overcame a lot of personal doubts, I think it's probably a better, we can call it fear, we can wrap it in fear. But you had to overcome a lot of personal doubts in launching your business, what was that like? Or what were a couple of those examples that you felt you were struggling with a little bit more because you were an introvert versus what you thought maybe comes easier to somebody else.

Johnna Danielle  9:02  
So one of the things nowadays, we know if you're going to be an influencer, a coach, a consultant, you do need to kind of be on social media. And it's just something it's the world we live in. So for me being an introvert, that was beyond scary, and it's also just not a world I really necessarily had the desire to be on and kind of get consumed in. But that's the way to reach for people. So once again, if I want to help other people, then I have to go okay, if I want to do that, then part of that means being on social media. That was definitely a fear. And also just something I wasn't really wanting to put myself out there. But again, my why was bigger than that. And so that's why I chose to do it also was speaking, being on videos, knowing that videos are going to reach more people, again, more people that you can help. So learning how to kind of let go of, yeah, you're going to be judged. Yes, people are going to not like you that that's the same thing in real life. And so when I used to to kind of think, well shoot, I don't want them to judge me or the people that know me are gonna think I'm crazy for leaving this great career and, you know, putting myself out there online, but it's just it's part of the process, and it's so worth getting over the fear. Do I have time to share a couple others? Or? Um,

VoiceAmerica  10:17  
I think we'll we'll do that when we come back. It's funny that you said, just, again, a fair warning or full transparency. I feel more prepared for this podcast than really any others because of the phone calls that you and I had to go through that, which you do. But But I was just contemplating that. On Wednesday, I showed up to a podcast, it was called the capital gains tax. So So mainly, they took the high net worth people and how to save money through capital gains tax and having a process and so I had no idea why he booked me on the show or what I could even offer, and we ended up having a phenomenal conversation. But I was just like, Alright, let's go, Hey, I showed up. What do you want me to talk about? Which is, which isn't always a good thing, right? Because there's some times where it's really awkward, or I definitely missed the mark. And so there's almost it's I don't want to say it's a cockiness, but overconfidence sometimes, that I do have something to say versus taking the time as you did to go. Okay, we're your listeners, you know, what we'll we think that works. I think that's interesting is a compare and contrast, I had no idea we were gonna go down the path of truly comparing and contrasting our personality styles. But what does work is our friendship and relationship. So that's cool. So the fact that you the respect and understanding of both, but you were always a calming force for me, in the food room, as well, kind of I sat side by side and did our thing. But I think when we come back, I'd love to get into some of the examples of some of these fears that we had to overcome. And also just, if you wouldn't mind just also just really saying exactly what they are. And maybe maybe somebody listening is dealing with that same thing. So what steps you took to overcome it versus just identifying what you needed to overcome? So we'll do that. Just on the other side of the break and listen to Rick Morris on the work life balance.

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And we're back to the work life balance on this Friday afternoon. We're visiting with Janet Danielle who owns Janet Danielle coaching so it's it's a snappy name that continue to catch on to it's really hard to remember if you know Jana, but we were leaving into the break we were talking about fears and kind of certain things you felt like you had to overcome because you are an introvert so why don't you give us a couple of examples of that.

Johnna Danielle  14:58  
So I mentioned social Media and you know, putting yourself out there. fear of being judged. And and so that would be the same thing in a classroom growing up, you know, getting in front of the class, raising your hand and speaking. I think with maturity, you grow confidence with learning more about, you know, your personality and accepting it. Instead of faking it till you make it, you know, I used to kind of tell people that and it's like, No, you can still learn skills that are going to put yourself out there and challenge yourself, but you don't need to be fake in order to do that. Lots of fears, Rick, you know, I used to fear flying, scuba diving, and that one's my favorite. Can I stop on that one? Okay, so I don't remember this. But my mom said, you wouldn't even like look down into the water because you were so afraid. And I think of anything you could think of. So I was 29, about 10 years ago. And I thought, you know what, that's it. Why am I doing this? Why am I so fearful? So I threw myself in a class of all men in Washington state in the winter time, of course, and we go through these classes. And along the way, I thought the fear was going to go away, I thought, Okay, I'm gonna overcome this fear. And we're talking about overcoming fear. But really what it is, is, it's not like it 100% goes away, you make little steps. And the fear with scuba diving is my example, for everything in life, though. Because each step along the way, when they told me all the horrible things that were down there that could, you know, be poisonous, or this net, I thought, Oh, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. But I kept that inside. And I kept taking a step further, because it meant something to me to work through the fear to do it anyways, right? We've heard that a million times feel the fear, do it anyways, that's the the biggest example in my life that I really did try to work through it. And then you know, you do the pool dive and you're, you know, going down 12 feet, take your gear off, put it back on, go back to the top, all these things until you get into the open water. And then you get down there and the breathing, and you hear yourself and it's this peaceful, still kind of anxiety producing thing. But it was an example of putting myself out there and help, you know, working through the fear. So I tell people that story, because I think we can do that with anything in our lives. So that's really huge for me is, is making sure that you find whatever those things are for you and taking baby steps to get through it to the other side, because so many amazing things happen.

VoiceAmerica  17:18  
Wow. Love it. Yeah, if your fear isn't something that I, I fear, more difficult outcomes than I do, you know, like, Hey, you want to get on a roller coaster? Heck, yeah, let's go and jump out of a plane shirt, scuba dive, whatever. It's when I'm down there that I was like, Are there things that could kill me? Yeah. It's I don't know if that's a good thing or not. But I think that's I think that's interesting. You know, one of the things I hear about introverts and that, you know, I've thought it before as well as is the moment you meet somebody, you know, that's a little bit socially awkward, or they're, you know, they, they have that weird handshake or they they avert their eyes when they're meeting somebody, which let's just talk about that for a second. Because I want to come back to the socially awkward, but even that, right, that becomes a train behavior, right? Is your natural kind of like it being shying away, but you have to like tell yourself, look them in the eye and shake their hand, you know, be there like, Is there any of that going on?

Johnna Danielle  18:20  
Well, I can picture a moment when the first international john Maxwell conference, you know, we have to do our five minute speech at every conference, right? Yep. So I've been to six now. So let's go to the first time, I was literally standing behind the curtain, okay, where someone took my picture. And I was so terrified to go down into the Hall of 3000 people and, you know, do this first speech. Now, fast forward, every single event I got better. So that to me, if you would have seen me in the room, it would have looked very socially awkward. The eye contact part is different. I've been pretty good with that. But I can see where people think that some introverts are socially awkward, because we do tend to be kind of internal and think a lot before we speak. We don't always just jump in, you know. So that could be misconstrued as socially awkward. I'm sure there are some of us that are but I think it depends on how much you work on it to right as you get older and mature, what career you choose. If you're in it might be a little easier to stay a little behind the scenes and you might not have to make eye contact as much. Someone like me that wasn't an option. You know, you have to get out there and do your job and interact with people and everything like that.

VoiceAmerica  19:33  
Yeah, as I think through that I'm thinking through so you know, again, at IMC I have I have a role I have a job. I know where I stand in the organization and so it's very easy for me to meet people and direct them and do you know eye contact and try to make them feel comfortable? It's my job to try to make them feel comfortable. Right. But I when you were talking about the the eye contact thing for there, when I do these keynote speeches, and you know it's been a while since I've gotten to go to conference and do a keynote speech. But normally there's a speaker dinner. And so normally it's the top four or five people that are being paid and they take you out to dinner. And they they like to explore your brain a little bit, you know, but it's always like, I'm socially awkward in that situation. And everybody thinks I'm an introvert during that, because I just don't talk. Because most of it's a brag session. I'm not interested in why you spoke at this event. I did this event like and I like to get into, like, what's the problem we can solve? And let's all dive in. And, in fact, one of my best friends, Collin Ellis, he and I met that way where we're at the speaker dinner, and he and I just kind of kept going off into the corner, because we wanted to talk about like real stuff, and like, get into it and understand each other's experience. But But my point to that is, it's like, I feel so socially awkward at the table at dinner, because I don't want to be there. I don't want to have that conversation. And I'm not trying to one up the next guy. I'll let my stage talk do the talking for me right in. But I just find that interesting. I haven't really related that. But I feel incredibly socially awkward in that in that instance. So we talked about socially awkward, that's somewhat of a myth, then Are there other myths that are other things that people tend to say? Well, because you're an introvert, you're axure that the assumption is this what what are some of those other myths?

Johnna Danielle  21:19  
Well, we talked about shy we talked about socially awkward and outgoing, you know, they must not be outgoing, they must not be friendly. And I remember in in high school, you know, they said, I had a you know what face or you know, I look too serious. And I thought, Gosh, I didn't even realize it, but I was so in my head, walking around the halls and people that knew me knew I was friendly. But I looked, you know, I looked like I was so serious. They just didn't know the people that didn't know me. And so I think it's easy sometimes with with some introverts to think, you know, they Oh, they must not be on lunch, lunch, breaks breaks in general, I'd often go and study alone, because walking into the room of people was just like energy draining, and in between classes. I needed a little bit of downtime. So it's you know, giving yourself the permission to do that is huge, because then you're going to show up to the next thing with more energy. reclusive loners weird you know, those are other words that you hear a lot. Okay, sometimes reclusive, short, but overall 100% you know, they say alpha chinos a huge introvert and that he is actually reclusive. Okay, that's unique to him, right? There's people who are, but but for the most part, I think we do crave social interaction, and we do create friendships, fewer, perhaps, deeper ones. Now, we don't need to be friends with everybody. And there's nothing wrong with that. But because of kind of conserving our energy, we tend to have a little bit of a smaller group of people who are deeply connected with

VoiceAmerica  22:51  
so we're, we're radio but it's internet radio so you can you can fully say resting bitchface Okay.

Johnna Danielle  23:00  
I censored myself just to see I had a resting bitchface

VoiceAmerica  23:07  
I've got a resting bitch body is what I was told. No, but but it's it's interesting you that that kind of the first seven seconds somebody makes an impression and because you're studying or your deepest thought then you have resting bitchface and that's that I can imagine how many times people just in general deal with that it's just like just because I'm thinking and I'm not smiling ear to ear to your fakely but then you've got you know, I live in the south and you want to talk about you know, the the blood I come the bless your heart moms. Now they've got to smile ear to ear all done up and they're gonna trash talk to you as soon as you walk away, bless his heart. But he was wearing You know, there's that going on. So I prefer the the non fake interaction would be much better. So. So you had said, in kind of one of your pre questions that you know, how do you make the best of being an introvert and an extrovert favorite world? But before we get into that, is it an extrovert favorite world? Why do you say or what do you say or maybe even phrase it that way?

Johnna Danielle  24:16  
I should say we live in an extroverted country. And that is statistically you know what they say? When you read on the topic, they say about a third. About a third of us are introverts, but a lot of people don't know they are or a lot of people are hiding it because they're embarrassed. They don't want to admit it. So

VoiceAmerica  24:39  
yeah. But then but then when you look at this great 3% or ds 14% sir eyes, so the 17% is outgoing and then the 83% reserved. So that's why right there, so if you look at the statistics there, your high ass, which is your 69% then you've got your other percentage and C's. And I always leave that I do that on purpose. Because if you are a C, you're calculating what percent you are based on numbers, but you're already 17 is

Johnna Danielle  25:09  
I'm CIC technically.

VoiceAmerica  25:15  
I do. By the way side note, when I teach this guy I, I normally have everybody take a profile before I teach class and then I have the standard percentages and then the percentage for the class. And I always make it add up to like 110 or 104. And I let it sit there and I go through and when I go the CS and say if you if you have any doubt to the C, who knows that the numbers don't add up? They just started like, yep, do that on purpose. Gotcha.

Johnna Danielle  25:42  
Oh, yeah. So good. I remember when I worked for an anesthesiologist I was measuring out the exactness of this cleaning solution for one of my you know machines or something and he's like john please even he an anesthesiology goes it doesn't have to be so exact.

Like you know this measuring.

VoiceAmerica  26:07  
I know I kind of want my anesthesiologist to be good three CCS for whatever he's gonna be knocked out Who cares?

Johnna Danielle  26:19  
Oh, what I was doing it wasn't that

Unknown Speaker  26:23  
nice Fedak world?

VoiceAmerica  26:25  
There it is. Alright, let's take another break right here. When we come back, let's get into how do you make the best of being an introvert and extrovert world? And we'll do that right after the break and listen to Rick Morrison the work life balance.

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And we're back to the work life balance. And for those of you that asked about the music is the lead into the show that is group called the party that I produce. And we're very, very thankful to Disney for finally releasing all of their album catalogs on Spotify that took almost, I don't know we say 30 years is how long the music has been out there. But probably 10 to 15 years to get it digitized. So we're very, very appreciative and you can find their entire catalogue now at Spotify slash the party coming back with john. So john. Right. As we were going into break we talked about how do you make the best of being an introvert in an extrovert favorite world? Yeah, so

Johnna Danielle  29:35  
I think accepting one's strengths and weaknesses, you know, and also stretching yourself growing in the areas you know, and one of the things too, when you connect with somebody, if you know letting them know, Hey, this is who I am, and I'm okay with that. And maybe let enlightening them a little bit on your personality maybe helping to dispel those myths that they're unaware of I think that helps and having a really supportive network of colleagues, mentors, you know, for me, I've always enjoyed having a good coach in my personal and business life. But friends that understand you that don't judge you and try and make you feel bad for, you know, being the way that you are, which can be annoying, if you don't want to go to that gathering, or you know, and if they're trying to peer pressure you into it or something like that, but just having people that understand you for who you are. And then another note to I think making the best would be to find the areas that really matter to you. If it's helping people in any way, shape, or form or whatever it is to you, taking action is so incredibly important. And making the best of it by not just over preparing, which is extremely easy to do, and a bad habit that I get into myself. Because you do you have to just pull the trigger and launch as well.

VoiceAmerica  30:54  
Yeah, that is that's, I think you need you and I even had a conversation about that. But you you were saying that you had to overcome kind of this thought pattern that everything had to be perfect before absolute trigger?

Johnna Danielle  31:06  
Absolutely. Yeah,

VoiceAmerica  31:07  
you still live with that, or you just couldn't is it just getting easier to go, Okay, I gotta go. And then I'll figure it out.

Johnna Danielle  31:13  
I would say it doesn't get easier, but I know better now. So I don't do it as as much I still do it, but almost to a healthy extent for me, because it really does help me to show up in the ways that I need to my best. But remember earlier, when you mentioned how you can just wing it. And you you even said I don't know if that's good or bad. I will purposefully put myself in situations to do that. And it's not like I pick and choose sometimes I just do need to wing it. And I go for it. And I know that it's not going to be perfect. And I know that I might feel Oh, you know, that didn't look so great. I'm learning that it's okay. And that, okay, I laugh at it. And that's the thing, it's okay to just kind of laugh at it instead of be embarrassed. Yeah.

VoiceAmerica  31:55  
The thing about winging it for me, it's, it's more. So if someone I coach, and they have a fear of initiating the sales call in the fear is, is that they don't know all the objections that are going to be raised. And they're fearful that they lose the sale. And I'm like, okay, but I don't care. We could spend the next six years and the very first call is going to throw an objection your way that we haven't prepared for. So yes, if you're confident in you and your product, then it doesn't matter, we should just go and you should just make the call. And you'll find out if you do lose that sale. I need to be a little bit better at this. But we could prepare for nine years and you can never you won't be any better spot than you are today to go make that phone call. Right? Yes. And

Johnna Danielle  32:40  
you helped him understand that right by being as coach.

VoiceAmerica  32:44  
I hope so. It's still it's still, you know, it's still I'm scared. I don't know what to say. And then we go, Okay, well tell me how it goes after the call. And then I get the phone calls like yeah, that went really well. And I felt like you know, and so it's reminding them of that feeling. Right in terms of that piece. But I think it's it's interesting. So, yeah, that's a little advice that I share with people in terms of winging it. It doesn't just obviously I'm prepared, right, in the sense that I know what it is that that who I am and what I can talk about. But what are some of the pieces of advice that you would share with an audience is specifically around, you know, they're an entrepreneur, they feel like they're introverted, or there's some tips and tricks that you could give them that would hopefully make life a little bit easier for them. Yeah, well, you

Johnna Danielle  33:33  
kind of hit on one point about you know, none of us are perfect, it's not going to happen. So when I was looking at one of my videos that was absolutely not even close to being perfect. The point was just doing it right because being an introvert, not having done it, just do it, and it's gonna suck at first. It's just it is I remember Paul Martinelli with john Maxwell says, you're gonna suck it first. It's just the way it is. It's part of the process, but then you'll get better. And you know, and one thing you just mentioned as well with the with your client, I was told by my amazing business coach, he said, Gianna, you could go back on that video for years and years and years, and it's still not going to be exactly what you want. So I've kind of learned Yep, let it go. self talk is one huge one. We all know that. It's for anyone extroverts, introverts. It doesn't matter who you are. But for us introverts because we tend to internalize more. The way that you talk to yourself is huge. affirmations help immensely for me. I have them on one, you know, sheet of paper, read them out loud every day, it just kind of helps Pump me up and prepare me for the day. For me prayer for a lot of other people that might be meditation. I think not sitting too long with your thoughts as an introvert is good, you know, sitting long enough, but there's got to be a point where you get out there and you interact with others talk it out to a trusted friend. I didn't touch on this earlier, but we do tend to be pretty private. I have been told that so many times. It's not even funny. I'd rather ask the questions rather than have the center of attention on me. And so being in this business, that change Everything right? So which is good, because people need to get to know you, you have to build rapport and many businesses, not just in the coaching and consulting world. I think getting a mentor or a coach, or again, having that supportive family and friend network is huge for people. And breaking it down into small steps, kind of like you tell people about, you know, breaking down your goals into small steps, I tend to go from here, and I want to get it done way over that I want to get to the destination, right? And so I'm glad I'm like that because I can help my coaching clients and say, okay, slow down cowboy, let's go, let's go here. And then we're going to go here and kind of, you know, break it down. And then going back to the why that is one of the biggest pieces of advice. And I know we hear it a lot. But people need to know what their Why is what is their purpose for doing it, because that is what will drive the introvert to taking some steps that maybe they don't want to take to doing some things that they don't really want to do. So those are those are a few things.

VoiceAmerica  36:05  
The wise got to be pretty big to

Johnna Danielle  36:07  
absolutely make more money. Absolutely.

VoiceAmerica  36:11  
Right. Because it but I think a lot of us start there. Why in again, referencing Paul and I love that is whenever you ask somebody what they want, the first thing they do is tell you the 10 things they don't want anymore. That's not Yeah, well, I don't want to have to work for anybody. And I don't want to worry about bills, and I don't want to have to be tied to my desk. Okay, those three things you don't want. What is it that you want? Like? Absolutely. Where do you want to go? Although I was asked a question yesterday of what's your perfect life? And I was like, I don't know, you know, and you started to talk it out that kind of stuff. I thought that was a great question.

Johnna Danielle  36:47  
It's a great question.

VoiceAmerica  36:49  
Yeah, just what what what is it? What is a perfect day in a perfect life for you look like? And so I've actually been churning on that over the last couple of days trying to come up with, you know, what, what does that look like? What is that because we all get stuck in that hamster wheel, we don't know how to get out sometimes. Do and that, you know, we

Johnna Danielle  37:07  
do an exercise. That's called the perfect day, which is funny that you said that that was one of my coaching trainings. And what do you hear? What do you smell? What do you feel? Where are you, you know, and digging really, really deep into figuring that out. And I think it's a phenomenal exercise. So that's good that you're working on it?

VoiceAmerica  37:26  
Well, so from a coaching perspective, let's dispel some myths real quick around coaching, in general. Right? So do you need to be an expert in my business in order to coach me?

Johnna Danielle  37:38  
No. And that's definitely a myth that you do need to be an expert.

Rick A. Morris  37:43  
And why is that?

Johnna Danielle  37:44  
Because the person that you are coaching is the expert of their life. And I don't know enough about Rick Morris, I don't know the ins and outs, I don't know how you wake up and how you go to bed. And if your energy is low in the beginning of the day, and not at the end of the day, and you know, all the ins and outs of your business, I can assume it I can read all I want on business doesn't mean that I know your business.

VoiceAmerica  38:07  
Sure. And so it almost you know, kind of a conclusion that we're coming to here is that introverts can make really, really strong coaches, because the natural tendency is to not speak, the natural tendencies to ask questions, and the natural tendency is to listen. Definitely, that's interesting. Versus you know, an extrovert spends 45 minutes of the hour, telling them about you know, your day, which is not what you're there to be coached for. what what what's one of your kind of go to quotes from from any of these people that we've talked about? We talked about, you know, you had a Brian Tracy quote in the beginning, but what's one of your kind of go to quotes that is a helper or driver of your Why?

Johnna Danielle  38:56  
Well, it's actually one of my advice, ones that I was gonna wait till the end to share.

Do you want me to save it?

VoiceAmerica  39:01  
Okay. All right, really good. That's really good. got me out of that one. So talk about just again, in your business, putting yourself out there. How many times did you do that first video. And tell me their process today, on the videos that you're doing? So I'm assuming these are like Facebook Lives or Facebook videos, or something of that sort of, can I reach out?

Johnna Danielle  39:31  
Yeah, things to use for marketing or Instagram or Facebook or LinkedIn? You know, I sped it up actually pretty quickly, because I needed to get them out. I did a 30 day challenge, which for me was good, right? Because I don't have a choice. You got to do it every day for 30 days. So and my coach said, Just get it out there. It's not all about being perfect and you know the quality yet, but now fast forward, I've done some that were it was important to do the quality. So I didn't retake a lot, because I knew that wasn't going to be perfect like we talked about. And I was okay with that. Because I've gotten to that point, it took a while It took a long time. But now I'm at that point. So just not really being too concerned about other people because of the why we go back to that, because it's not about me. So who cares if I sound silly or whatever, hopefully, there's something in the message that is going to reach one human being that matters to me, therefore, just do it. So that's kind of the approach that I that I took with the videos. It's not easy. I still have to talk myself into doing it. I'm not gonna lie I do. But it's it has gotten easier to not care. It doesn't have to be perfect. That part is what I launch a lot faster, if that makes sense.

VoiceAmerica  40:41  
Do you go back and watch it after you know that I knew the answer before? for them? Yeah,

Johnna Danielle  40:48  
no, I do not.

Rick A. Morris  40:52  
Very good reason. Well, no,

Johnna Danielle  40:56  
then we might be having a different conversation. I'm never gonna do a video again.

VoiceAmerica  41:03  
I think it's important every once in a while, I'll go back and see something I put out there. Sometimes I'm like, I don't even remember saying that dude. Yes.

Johnna Danielle  41:09  
Funny. Yeah, in the ones that I'm editing professionally, and actually going to be using for some things like getting ready for a course that I'm gonna launch I, I do I do have to go back. And that's important. I need to know that it was edited in a way that it's going to reach somebody who's never met me, that is maybe specifically to target people who are unemployed, that want to get a hold of me for career coaching or transition. So now that's different than just my social media posts. At least at this point. So


sometimes, yes, I do have to go back. Which is good for us to learn.

VoiceAmerica  41:44  
Absolutely. Absolutely. We're going to take our final break right here and we'll be back with john asked the question we ask of every one of our guests also to find out a little bit more about her and her business. We'll do that right on the other side of this break and listen to Rick marks on the work life balance.

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And we're back to the work life balance on this Friday afternoon visiting with Janet Danielle and john and I've been having a really just kind of frank discussion of what it's like to be an introvert and in some of the things that you've had to learn and or overcome. You know, one thing we didn't touch on though was like networking like how, how do you feel about like going to a networking and how do you prepare and how does that go for you?

Johnna Danielle  44:47  
So definitely I prepared by listening to music, making sure that I talked myself into it, maybe exercising beforehand. And then during for introverts is important too. You know, finding the people who you want to have the one on one conversations with it is intimidating because again, we're kind of wanting to be sort of internal and listening to a lecture, versus going to a networking event and interacting with a lot of people being overstimulated, which is a huge thing for introverts. You know, one funny thing I've read, and I also experiences, just excuse yourself to the bathroom, or go for a walk outside or something where you can be with yourself, and giving yourself permission to do that. It makes a world of difference, remembering to breathe, and ask questions, if you're more comfortable with that, in those situations, and sometimes even preparing those questions ahead of time. sounds silly, but it has definitely worked for me. And I know a lot of people who that works for, after networking events is equally as important and usually just planning something to unplug, whether that's a movie or a book, or, you know, putting your phone away. And that's what I do after each IMC day I make sure that I go to the pool or, you know, go with my mom to dinner and do something to just really unplug so that you're recharged for the next day. Or if it's at work, you know that you're doing a networking thing, making sure that again, you plan something for afterwards, because you might not be the funnest person in the world. If you're an introvert that's drained, and then you go home to the family and you know, it just you do. It takes some planning, if that makes sense. If you really want to, you know, feel good and everything. So,

VoiceAmerica  46:26  
yeah, I ended up planning almost two days after IMC that I just hang out at the hotel afterwards just before I reengage. Exactly so one day to sleep. That's that's to catch up on that. But you hit me with the music thing. So I'm wondering what an introvert listens to to pump themselves up? Is it a little hit him up from Tupac? He goes, like what is it?

Johnna Danielle  46:49  
It is a little bit of everything. And it depends on the day. And it depends on a new song that I might have heard, but I love so many different genres. Good. But

VoiceAmerica  46:59  
what was interesting is is when you came on I was so I listened to music right before the show to kind of get my energy level up. Yeah. And yeah, it changes today was was jumping by Jake Miller. That's what it was. So how do people get in touch with you? How do they find you?

Johnna Danielle  47:17  
So my website is Gianna Danielle calm. And I am going to spell it because people tend to get my name wrong, understandably. So. It's Jo HNNAD, a n i E, ll e.com. Or Gianna Danielle coaching@gmail.com.

VoiceAmerica  47:37  
Perfect. And so what are some of the other things you're working on. I mean, you've got so many kind of irons in the fire, just give us some high levels on a couple of the other things that you're doing right now.

Johnna Danielle  47:46  
So I'm doing my one on one coaching and mastermind groups right now a little bit of corporate consulting, slash coaching, which you understand Rick with our john Maxwell tools, I've got my business. And then I'm doing some of the things with Maxwell disc reports, career impact reports, of course. And then I'm working on my first online signature program. And it's relevant to what's going on right now I really want to help people who are unemployed laid off which we've had a ton of people, including myself. And also we know that we're going to see more of that and in different fields like the airline industry, etc. So also people in transition, right, I came out of a big huge transition. And I want to help people that might be in a situation where maybe they love what they do, but they don't love certain aspects about it, they want to get into something different. So this course is called landing your dream job. And I'm working with my business coach on creating that. And it should be done in a couple of months. So I'm really excited about that. And then another one is we're going to be starting a nonprofit with a business partner, my friend Annie, and it's coming from the world of medical esthetics that I came from, and she's in. She's a hairdresser and owns a salon and spa over here in Washington State. We both in our careers had a lot of cancer patients and they would come in and from the diagnosis to you know, going through treatment to after treatment, there was a lot of question marks, there was a lot of concerns and a lot of feeling alone. And we'd hear these things. And one day we talked about this years and years after both of us had seen it. And you know, we both have a huge heart in this area for numerous reasons. And so we're working on creating a nonprofit that is going to be kind of like almost a concierge kind of thing where people will go to a website, it's going to offer cancer coaching, it's going to offer you know an experience of if if it's a female and they're going through breast cancer, any kind that maybe they would lose their hair, helping to make that process you know, as good as possible. And also knowing a lot of people in our area. The surgeons who might do breast removal, nipple tattooing, makeup, you name it. We've got so much many people's names that we've written down the best of the best to help give resources to people. So that's really exciting. We're working on that as well.

VoiceAmerica  50:07  
Outstanding. And so what's some of the best advice you've ever received?

Johnna Danielle  50:13  
So it's actually a quote for me from Joyce Meyers. And it is, I believe the greatest gift that you can give your family in the world is a healthy you. tied into that is the one that we've always heard, which is put on your own oxygen mask first. And I think that it is incredibly vital for introverts in any human being, you have to take care of yourself, if you're going to be your best for your family, your co workers, for anyone in the world.

VoiceAmerica  50:41  
So I'm a movie quote guy in the fact that you just did that I go right to four Christmases, even the FAA wants me to put my oxygen mask, which I understand that whole scene was improv wasn't written, I thought that was hilarious. And so any last words that you'd like to leave for our audience today?

Johnna Danielle  50:59  
Anyone who wants to reach out to me via email or the website, I do complimentary consultations and strategy sessions. So I would love to connect with you on the topic we discussed today or on anything in general life or business. Well, Jana,

VoiceAmerica  51:11  
it's a pleasure to see you. Normally we see each other at least twice a year. And it's been a bit, it's been a while, ready for I'm ready for at least a way for us to start to get together again, and definitely experienced some growth and learning opportunity. So appreciate you coming on the show and sharing this with everyone and we look forward to hearing what you're going to be doing in the future.

Johnna Danielle  51:34  
Thank you so much for having me today. Rick, it was a pleasure.

VoiceAmerica  51:37  
Thanks, Jenna. Next week, we're gonna have Michelle back. So Michelle was with us probably six, seven months ago. So this is the the second time that she'll be joining us and we had a fantastic conversation. She runs loving life guidance. And so we're super excited for that. That will be next Friday. Otherwise, please reach out at Rick A. Morris or Rick A. Morris, on LinkedIn or Facebook or at Rick A. Morris calm. Always love to hear feedback from the show suggestions for other guests. Things that you love things that you didn't like all that stuff. I read and respond to all that personally and certainly appreciate all the feedback. Otherwise, we will see you guys next Friday, the same time the same channel. We ask you to stay on and continue listening to the voice America business channel in the voice America business network. And until next Friday, we hope that you live your own work life balance and talk to you soon.

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